and i think what can happen as a result of looking at the 150th of the civil war and civil rights at the same time, because will also soon be upon the 150 of the gettysburg, the gettysburg address and so on, through agencies to five, that allows for conversation i think which is missing which is not just about the black-white unfinished business, but the white north, white south unfinished business. and i can say in a confessional mode i've been primary focus on investing to black americans, but we white northerners have a sign all blame and responsibility on the south when we were very, very, very, very heavily complicit in slavery and racism clear through american history. once you start looking with that lens, use it everywhere. and the history of the civil war. the fact a lincoln at such a hard time as someone was saying early on, passing the 13th amendment when the southerners were not in congress at that time, that pointed out rightly. so to have a national conversation what we are looking at how to acknowledge that piece of it, what does that do for the politics about white so